tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post4783201548017446690..comments2023-10-28T14:47:05.402+01:00Comments on burn the witches: On being a terrible feministvertehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07568745576713009205noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-33111524349487914542007-04-25T19:58:00.000+01:002007-04-25T19:58:00.000+01:00Whilst I'm not sure that that entry provides much ...Whilst I'm not sure that that entry provides much of an insight into radical feminist sex (since, as verte noted, she does practically exclude menz from participating in any way in radfemsex), I have to say that I found the phrase "the penis does represent the weaponized phallus" to be altogether too amusing ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-71779284717782746192007-04-25T18:03:00.000+01:002007-04-25T18:03:00.000+01:00Ooh, thanks BD! So for her it's really just about ...Ooh, thanks BD! So for her it's really just about avoiding the idea of the phallic. I'm still very curious about what the radical feminists do who have sex with menz, but I suspect that's Top Secret. <BR/><BR/>And bah, what a pity the anonymous lurkers have already arrived...vertehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07568745576713009205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-45368948497045310242007-04-24T20:34:00.000+01:002007-04-24T20:34:00.000+01:00oh, and verte, you were wondering about radical fe...oh, and verte, you were wondering about radical feminist defs of acceptable sex? here you go:<BR/>http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/17883.htmlbelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-48559903362098318262007-04-24T20:31:00.000+01:002007-04-24T20:31:00.000+01:00hey, a reference to a "study" without a link even,...hey, a reference to a "study" without a link even, much less actual stats; i am cowed and abashed by the passing reference to something supposedly scholarly done by someone somewhere, by an anonymous drive-by.<BR/><BR/>hey nonny nonny: d'you imagine that without the pr0n that young boys would somehow not know how to rape? or wouldn't be doing it? golly, imagine: all this time before mass media, and all this time -right- now in countries where such material is strictly verboten: no rape! or at least considerably less rape! who knew! <BR/><BR/>especially the kind of "porn" that's basically about consensual vanilla sex, Candida Royalle and so on: that's totally contributory to rape, too; it must be, anti-porn (male) luminaries call her a "pimp" too.<BR/><BR/>sod off, fundie.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-14700111891939506182007-04-24T14:45:00.000+01:002007-04-24T14:45:00.000+01:00Dear anonymous,Yes, yes, we're clueless bimbos and...Dear anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Yes, yes, we're clueless bimbos and defenders of teh patriarchy, right? Heard all that slander before, I'm afraid.vertehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07568745576713009205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-47875830534159219542007-04-24T12:43:00.000+01:002007-04-24T12:43:00.000+01:00Whoo! Congratulations. That's an impressive mass ...Whoo! Congratulations. That's an impressive mass of strawmen, and uttler cluelessness. <BR/><BR/>And trinity - try reading a bit about the effects of porn on those who watch it. Particularly the studyabout how young boys are learning to rape their girlfriends.<BR/><BR/>But why oh why is porn such a big deal? <BR/><BR/><BR/>Clueless slander as usual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-39806226382075224912007-04-22T07:28:00.000+01:002007-04-22T07:28:00.000+01:00the "selfish" thing, you know...yeah, good girls a...the "selfish" thing, you know...<BR/><BR/>yeah, good girls aren't supposed to be "selfish." especially when it comes to sexual pleasure. i fail to see how railing at other women for that is somehow some radical feminist breakthrough. it feels like the same old shit to me. <BR/><BR/>personally i think a healthy dose of acknowledged selfishness would do a lot of people some good. much better than the surreptitious, "i'm cold, put on a sweater, if you don't you're SELFISH" thing. get your own damn sweater, and leave me the fuck alone. and no, i do not need to examine myself to determine whether or not i'm cold, thank you very much, i am sufficiently in tune with my own body that i really don't need you to tell me how i really feel.<BR/><BR/>now if you want to talk about working together to help people who have no access to sweaters out of the cold, because that's what -they- need, then by all means. <BR/><BR/>just don't fucking patronize me.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-66436436450186472082007-04-22T07:20:00.000+01:002007-04-22T07:20:00.000+01:00well--to be fair; with some people at least, a lot...well--to be fair; with some people at least, a lot of it has to do with the theory espoused by Dworkin and similar, namely that male sexual domination of women is the very root of Patriarchy, so you focus heavily on rape and sexual abuse and also go after porn and related stuff because it's striking the root, as it were. in theory.<BR/><BR/>in practice--<BR/><BR/>well...i think a lot of people work out their personal psychodramas by "using" politicking over porn and other forms of sex in the public square; and the feminist anti's are no exception. <BR/><BR/>and, well, my feelings about it are summed up <A HREF="http://fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/2007/04/i-guess-its-just-about-time-i-wrote.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>, i suppose. capsule version: concerns about production, i get. concerns about effects of images as media, i find a lot greyer. concerns how such and such a sexact is inherently degrading and we shouldn't be pandering to the filthy mens anyway (which all porn de facto is of course): go away now please.<BR/><BR/>also of course being honest about actually listening to people in it and letting them speak for themselves, you know, getting out of the way, instead of "speaking for" the poor downtrodden masses with sweeping purple rhetoric and heaps of stats and shouting down and shaming those who -aren't- poor and downtrodden but still would like to say something--not cool. not cool at all.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-53474503619282985052007-04-19T15:37:00.000+01:002007-04-19T15:37:00.000+01:00Hmmm, interesting comments.I can understand that p...Hmmm, interesting comments.<BR/><BR/>I can understand that porn is more 'offensive' to a lot of women whereas cleaning or childcare are unlikely to be. That I get. Although I'm pretty hard to shock, watching gonzo porn where the girl has two cocks up her arse and one stuffed down her throat, and blatantly isn't enjoying herself, well, that's pretty worrying. But my concern is for the girl in the film. For all the 'selfish' insults we're thrown for watching porn and doing BDSM, their distaste for porn as a reason to ban it all is equally selfish. They couldn't give a rat's arse about the sex workers, really. Unless it suits their agenda.<BR/><BR/>I think it's the above that really, REALLY bothers me!vertehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07568745576713009205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-72706772250887800602007-04-19T14:39:00.000+01:002007-04-19T14:39:00.000+01:00I so agree with you all....Though that was the sam...I so agree with you all....<BR/><BR/>Though that was the same argument I had with some, dare i say 'right winged' rad feminist in the 80's,. <BR/><BR/>Some of what they were espousing was comletely alien to many women I knew, who were at home with 3 or more kids, and a low paid job, a husband and a home to look after. <BR/><BR/>One of the problems today is the perception to many that feminism is just for the interlectuals, the middle classes and not for 'ordinary' women and girls.shulliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16716640151002789278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-38312212638254077692007-04-19T06:17:00.000+01:002007-04-19T06:17:00.000+01:00it's because porn is "icky"...best as I can figure...it's because porn is "icky"...best as I can figure anyway...they don't like it, sooo...no one else should.Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-13066269517928849052007-04-18T20:08:00.000+01:002007-04-18T20:08:00.000+01:00I feel much the same. Why aren't radfems as bothe...I feel much the same. Why aren't radfems as bothered about the 'five Cs' (childcare, catering, cashiering, cleaning and clerical) as they are about sex work? It's rarer, better paying, and it's hard to argue that it's unempowering in comparison.thenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851538869806389235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8819635549269406811.post-64235618453193559792007-04-17T23:46:00.000+01:002007-04-17T23:46:00.000+01:00I completely agree about finding the emphasis on p...I completely agree about finding the emphasis on porn utterly bizarre. I don't see where porn matters in a world full of rapes, wage gaps, and discrimination. It's almost impossible for me to get angry at pornography as some sort of evil monolith when I'm so busy worrying about serious feminist concerns, or, even more often, disability rights concerns like <A HREF="http://trinityva.livejournal.com/tag/violence+against+pwd" REL="nofollow">these</A>Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.com